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Dennist3



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 8:10 am    Post subject: How do you keep it from slipping? Reply with quote

I am having fits trying to Applique my Roc
Can I get some Ideas on how to keep my fabric lined up and still while I am sewing?....
.I've re-done it 4 times now and I can't figure it out.....small pieces are fine but if it gets to be over say 24 inches or so it walks and wrinkles

there has to be an easier way to do this....

Here is your chance to show how much you guys really know...

Thanks,
Dennis
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Dennis.
There are lots of options available to you.
A) Hot Tack. Hot tack along the edges and be sure to sew over your hot tack holes.

B) Spray Glue. Use a very light coat of a medium spray glue. Let dry a while (past the tacky state), smooth your new piece on top of it. Let stand a while longer, then sew till your hearts content.

C) Glue stick. This is what I use. Just dab a glue stick all over the place (thinnly). Put your pieces together and sew. The glue washes off quite easily afterwords.

I think there are other methods as well.
Cheers,
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some builders hate it..... But it is my saviour. Spray Glue.

Look here for more info:
http://www.kitebuilder.com/inventory/sprayglu.htm

There is a right way and a wrong way to use it.... basically, the wrong way is to use too much of the wrong kind. My preference is the DM Tack 1000. A light coat(s) is best.

Other tacking methods include, hot tacking, scotch tape, Double Face Tape, water, and pins.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Somewhere I read about Gary mentioning scotch, ( or it may be 3M Confused ) temporary two sided tape. It has a yellow label and you can get it at Wal-Mart etc... It is tacky enough to hold things in place yet can easily be removed or repositioned. You don't get lots on a roll but I have been using small pieces here and there and am happy with it.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am building my fourth kite, so take everything I say as words of a beginner.

I started out hot tacking
sharpen/file/sand a small soldering iron to a skew chisel shape.
cut with the long sharp side
touch the fabric with the pointy part just enough to melt the two layers together. For me that is about every 1/2" to 3/4" along a line to be sewn
advantage; it is easy, there is no clean up
disadvantage; you have to sew over every spot weld or it looks bad, even after you are done there will always be little pin holes in your sail

spray glue
If you spay a very light coat of an adhesive on one piece, it will hold the two (or more) pieces of fabric together while you are sewing your applique piece down.
advantage; for me this is the easiest solution, it almost garentees a nice flat smooth sail, you don't have to sew so carefully over every spot weld, no pin holes in sail
disadvantage;unless you are smarter than me and can put glue only on what ever you are going to cut out, there will be some clean up, there is one more thing to buy/stock, you are messing with more VOC that you really really don't want to breathe, you have to experiment with the glue to make sure you know how much to use so you don't wreck your machine and or your sail

does this help you?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been trying the spray glue and it still seems to walk on me.....guess it just takes pratice......
don't have a hot cutter yet...still wortking on getting that one


thanks every one for hte fast replys!!!....


Dennis
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Small pieces get glue stick, large ones get Fabri-Tac.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dennist3 wrote:
I have been trying the spray glue and it still seems to walk on me.....guess it just takes pratice......


Practice helps. The other thing that helps is discarding the notion that a continuous line needs to be sewn in a continuous manner. Instead of trying to force the entire kite or panel thru the throat of the machine, just stop sewing, snip the threads, and start sewing again in another easily accessible place. Until practice makes perfect, that is the best way to cheat.

It is usually best to sew all the easily accessible, longest, straightest, or long easy curves first, then go after the tricky short stuff after the fabric has been 'anchored' all around it.

Dennist3 wrote:
don't have a hot cutter yet...still wortking on getting that one.


Try your local A.C. Moore store. www.acmoore.com.
They have a wood burner that lists for $12.99 and sells for $9.99. It has a great fabric cutting tip.
Plus it comes with a pointy tip that makes a great hot tacker with the addition of a spring from an ink pen.
You can see what it looks like at: http://www.geocities.com/gengvall/tool/tack.html
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok here is how bad it is for me......look at the first picture before I "trashed it" and the last 2 you can see how much it moved ....(and that is with using super 77 spray glue to hold it....



http://www.ofoto.com/BrowsePhotos.jsp?&collid=397786360105&page=1&sort_order=0


I'll never quit!!!!!
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dennist3 wrote:

I'll never quit!!!!!


Awesome attitude!!!!

No fear
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No quitters allowed!!!
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