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smarties Kite Builder II


Joined: 06 Nov 2003 Posts: 2806 Location: Dieppe, NB, Canada
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 2:10 am Post subject: Double star plan |
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Anyone knows where I can find a plan to built a double star kite like Ferruh Baysu?
Thanks,
Smarties
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Current Plan location:
http://ucurtma.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=11:doublestar&catid=3:planlar&Itemid=11
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Dorsal Kite Builder II


Joined: 05 Oct 2003 Posts: 735 Location: USA California Tracy - 50 miles to the right of San Francisco
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 2:33 am Post subject: |
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Smarties -
I believe it is the same as the Snowflake, except the pieces are hollow squares instead of solid squares. I think it was talked about in one of the Squareflake threads, a couple months ago. _________________ "The wind is the perfect reminder of God.
The only way we can prove it exists is by observing the things it affects.
That's why I believe in the wind, too."
Dennis
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kiteguy Kitebuilder of the Year 2005

Joined: 16 Sep 2003 Posts: 8804 Location: USA - Kansas, Overland Park - Near Kansas City
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 3:01 am Post subject: |
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Almost, but not quite. The one that was discussed looks much more like a Snowflake than this one does. I am not sure but I think plans were in the Drachen magazine a while back. I do not have access to the Drachen magazine, nor could I read it if I did have access.
However, I can understand most kite plans, no matter what the language.
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Dave Ellis
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EiSvIn

Joined: 14 Nov 2003 Posts: 40 Location: Oslo, Norway
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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It is not a snowflake, it looks a lot more slimmer and using spars in cross instead of the circular spar on the outside as Snowflake uses.
But what if I make a slim and hollow Snowflake, would it work? What to think of to keep flying angle, bridling an such? Any thoughts? |
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rbojarski Master Kite Builder


Joined: 30 Sep 2003 Posts: 626 Location: Lewes, Delaware
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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Flying Wings (maker of Beetle stunt kite) just brought out a single line kite called the Lotus which is very similar. You can view it by going to the Into the Wind site and doing a search for lotus. |
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Don Lord Kite Builder II


Joined: 22 Nov 2003 Posts: 183 Location: CANADA BC VANCOUVER
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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 12:56 am Post subject: |
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kiteguy wrote: | Almost, but not quite. The one that was discussed looks much more like a Snowflake than this one does. I am not sure but I think plans were in the Drachen magazine a while back. I do not have access to the Drachen magazine, nor could I read it if I did have access.
However, I can understand most kite plans, no matter what the language.
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I have the two most recent issues of the Drachen magazine, Hoch Hinaus. I have found a photo of this kite heading an article reporting on the 2003 St-Goar kite festival but I have not seen any plans in these issues, or mentioned in the magazine's archives.
Cheers _________________ Don Lord |
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stevef Administrator

Joined: 27 Aug 2003 Posts: 3612 Location: USA PA ALLENTOWN
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knotronda Kite Builder II


Joined: 22 Jan 2004 Posts: 809 Location: Lincoln City, OR USA
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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 9:15 am Post subject: |
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Spectre is a mystery man. He did not put his town or country in his profile. Is he from Germany? I did notice that when I was at the Berck Sur Mer festival a few years ago that the Germans liked to build the big versions of various kites. The proportions were impressive.
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Gary Kite Builder II

Joined: 26 Nov 2003 Posts: 333 Location: Rhode Island, USA
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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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EiSvIn wrote: | But what if I make a slim and hollow Snowflake, would it work? What to think of to keep flying angle, bridling an such? Any thoughts? |
The only 'issue' I have had with making high aspect (skinny) Facet Kites (Hi Scott) is that the shorter spine length has less 'authority' over the corners and the kites like to distort out of shape. The cure was to either bend metal tubing for the outside corners or use dihedrals. _________________ good heavens;
Gary E |
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Don Lord Kite Builder II


Joined: 22 Nov 2003 Posts: 183 Location: CANADA BC VANCOUVER
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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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knotronda wrote: | Spectre is a mystery man. He did not put his town or country in his profile. Is he from Germany? I did notice that when I was at the Berck Sur Mer festival a few years ago that the Germans liked to build the big versions of various kites. The proportions were impressive.
knot(ty)ronda |
Ronda; by his name and what I read on his web site, I would say our mystery man is from Turkey. _________________ Don Lord |
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Progcraft Kitebuilder of the Year 2004


Joined: 29 Sep 2003 Posts: 4963 Location: Calgary, AB, Canada
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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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Don Lord wrote: |
Ronda; by his name and what I read on his web site, I would say our mystery man is from Turkey. |
I would say your right Don. Spectre's 'about me' page on his web site states:
"My name is Ferruh Baysu. First, sorry about my English. I am a kite flier from Turkey. "
He's got some neat kites. I like that Heksebeest kite. It looks to be based on a Conyne kind of plan.
T. _________________ There is no box.
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The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike
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spectre
Joined: 11 Nov 2003 Posts: 121 Location: Ankara, Turkey
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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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Hi, Everyone
I took an e-mail which includes the link to this subject from Eirik a kiter from Norway.
I draw the doublestar using Autocad. But I don't have a detailed plan but I'll make one. Now I am out of my home. I'll turn back in a week. When I turn back I'Ll prepare a pdetailed plan as soon as possible.
If anyone wants drawings I can send them. But you must wait until I am going back to home. Just tell me you can open Autocad files or not. If not tell me the format which you want.
And also I updated my profile(The e-mail adress was wrong).
Best Winds,
Ferruh Baysu
fbaysu@ucurtma.org |
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knotronda Kite Builder II


Joined: 22 Jan 2004 Posts: 809 Location: Lincoln City, OR USA
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 1:58 am Post subject: |
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I guess it would help if I had gone to his web site . Oh well, looking forward to seeing more of 'Spectre'.
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Gary Kite Builder II

Joined: 26 Nov 2003 Posts: 333 Location: Rhode Island, USA
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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knotronda wrote: | looking forward to seeing more of 'Spectre'. |
Amen!
Just a couple of quick thoughts before I go back to making Circoflex bridles for MAKR this weekend.
Since the early posts in this thread referred to Spectre's kite as a type of Snowflake Facet, I just wanted to toss in to the discussion that Snowflakes and Facets are tensegrity construction, the tensioning frame is on the outside of the kite. Spectre's kite is framed internally. There is a Spine or Longeron, in the center of which is a tinker toy doughnut for the Spreaders.
I think that when the plans are avaiable, most of the fabric panels will be slightly trapezoidal rectangles. _________________ good heavens;
Gary E |
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smarties Kite Builder II


Joined: 06 Nov 2003 Posts: 2806 Location: Dieppe, NB, Canada
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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Spectre wrote: | If anyone wants drawings I can send them. But you must wait until I am going back to home. Just tell me you can open Autocad files or not. If not tell me the format which you want. |
Spectre, looks like this is your first post in this forum. Thanks for taking the time to give your feedback. Is this kite your original design?
Can you make the drawings in PDF format or maybe in JPEG or BMP?
Thanks,
Smarties  |
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spectre
Joined: 11 Nov 2003 Posts: 121 Location: Ankara, Turkey
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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Hi, Smartie
It is not my own design. I saw this kite in a festival in France and. Then I draw a three dimensional drawing of this kite in AutoCAD. And yes, I can do PDF or JPG.
The most important think is the shape of the panels. I have drawings for 3(10feet) meter 10 side and 1.5-2meter 8 sides.
Best Winds,
Ferruh Baysu
fbaysu@ucurtma.org |
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Mountain Man Kitebuilder of the Year 2003


Joined: 05 Sep 2003 Posts: 1110 Location: NB Canada
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Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 12:28 am Post subject: |
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hi spectre !
what size of spars are you using in the 3 m and what size are you using in the smaller one??? and what is the diameter of the center piece??? and center spar for the 3 meter?
thanks !  _________________ Bernie
the Mountain Man
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wdrwilson
Joined: 25 Oct 2003 Posts: 1696 Location: Canada, Nova Scotia, Halifax
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Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 1:16 am Post subject: |
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Wow this is great!!
I would love to get a copy of the plan in PDF or Autocad format...
--Bill |
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Dorsal Kite Builder II


Joined: 05 Oct 2003 Posts: 735 Location: USA California Tracy - 50 miles to the right of San Francisco
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Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 1:40 am Post subject: |
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Me too! Autocad format would be fine. jpg would work, even PDF! Whatever you feel like sharing, I'll find a way to use it. But please, put some dimensions on the drawing. Many conversion programs seem to ignore the "scale" of a drawing, and will proportion the drawing down to fit in the "native" format of the converter program. Without dimensions, it's impossible to get the drawing back to the proper size. _________________ "The wind is the perfect reminder of God.
The only way we can prove it exists is by observing the things it affects.
That's why I believe in the wind, too."
Dennis
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Gary Kite Builder II

Joined: 26 Nov 2003 Posts: 333 Location: Rhode Island, USA
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Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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I'd love to get a plan in PDF if possible. _________________ good heavens;
Gary E |
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