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Hi all,

EDIT :
I will keep you updated with pictures and notes on my own website for this project.

I have downloaded the surfplan file from http://home.wanadoo.nl/xxtreme/ but when i printed the full 175 pages i can't see the cut-out's at the bottom surface skin's. See picture :



1. Do i have to make the cut-out's my self ?

2. Where should they be placed ?

I have tryed to write to the owner of the website, but have not been able to get in contact with him. So maby someone have build this kite and know what to do ?

/Websam

[mhartzel]

The plans most likely have all the cells closed. you will need to make the openings.
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[Progcraft]

Yeah, what Mark said.
It seems you printed with all cells closed.
But, you don't have to print out many templates to fix it.
Just print out the first page of every panels template, (you do have the waypoints printed right) and line up the way points. Then, trim as necessary. Should be fine for ya.

Good luck. Be sure to keep us updated. Looking forward to seeing your build

cheers,
P.
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Now i dont know surfplan very much so how do i do that ?

I'm used to use foilmaker so need some help here

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[Ad Branger]

Hi Websam,

All the Tribal files are with the cells closed. But that’s no problem. It’s like you said in your first post: you have to make the cut-outs yourself. Now it’s possible to make the inlets like you want. So you don’t need to print again with Surfplan. After all this triangular shape is impossible with Surfplan.

Just draw what you want to use for your inlets on the lower cell template (triangular is o.k) and that’s it. Don’t forget the seam allowance…

In the Tribal 2 meter (version 2) they can be placed in cells 3-4 (it’s possible to skip these inlets) 6-7, 9-10 and 12. But it’s possible on several other places. What you want. This is an example of the inlets in a Tribal 2 meter:



Cheers, Ad

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And i can see that i did not print with waypoints i forgot to set it when i printed it out.

But still i need to know how large the triangle need to be ?

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[Ad Branger]

Hi Websam,

This is not my kite. This one is build by a kitebuilder from Belgium.

About 10-20 mm from the A-line is perfect.

Tribals are flying good and fast. It’s what you can call “a race kite” and a good buggy engine. It doesn’t collapse much at the wingtips, but off course that also depends on your experience (how you are flying and driving with it). It’s not the most easy foilkite to drive with in high wind when you’re not experienced. In that case the Gual kites are a bit easier to handle I think.

For bridle lines I always use Dyneema (Spectra).

Cheers, Ad

P.S. For me the missing waypoints are enough reason to print again… It’s possible to build a foilkite without them, but when you want to build accurate you need waypoints.

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[Ad Branger]

Hi Websam,

I think 80 lb (= 36 kg) is the absolute minimum for the primary bridle and 150 lb the minimum for the secondary bridle. But…in this case a little accident can be fatal for your bridlelines. Remember that your using this foilkite in high winds.

Maybe it’s better to use stronger bridle lines: for the primary bridle for example 125 lb and for the secondary bridle 175 lb.

Cheers, Ad

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[kiteguy]

Good link. Thanks for posting.
There are some good inflatables there. Wish I was rich instead of so darn good looking!

Check THIS out, instead!

http://www.kewo-international.com/windspiele.php
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Topic update

All paper printed (175), taped and semi cut befor gluing on cardboard, pictures will be posted later on.

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Drop it, i understand and woun't post commercial links again.

Topic Update

I have yellow and white fabric to use for this kite. So wanted to here what you think is the best way of mixing them.

1. Ribs and cross-vents are yellow. They will shine through the bottom surface.



2. Ribs and cross-vents are yellow. They will shine through the white top and bottom surface.



From these pictures to see i like the first one best. But what do you think ? Any other idé is wellcome

/Websam

[mhartzel]

I like the first one.

Some would swap the colors. Put the white on the top, it will make the yellow bottom shine.
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[CJQ]

Hi Websam. I like # one also. You must be the final judge. We dont realy know the actual color yelloy you already have. Yellow is a tough color , if very light the bright sun washes out the yellow color. I like white fabric to be bright white. Some light weight white fabric becomes too transparent. Its good it you want the sun to shine thru and make the color underneith pop. Looking forward to your progress.

CLIFF

[Quad Nut]

On the 'yellow' washout issue that Cliff posted.
Most yellows will appear pale or even white-ish when outside in the sun.


I like rich yellow on my kites. I use it often.

What I've found is that the Gold color actually looks more yellow when sunlit.

If you like a rich true yellow on your kites, give the gold a try.

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I will try to shoot a picture of the colors against the sun tomorrow it's evening here now so i can't do it now but i can see through the fabric so it is thin 30-32 gram per. sqr. meter.

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As i came to think i had some pictures of the 2 Tramo's i build last year then you can see the colors indoor :



Hope this will give you an idé of the colors i intend to use.

/Websam