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TradeWinds
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 Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 2:34 pm Post subject: Super Seam Tape 9460PC |
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Any instructions on the Super Seam Tape 9460PC ? Does it foul a needle when sewn thru? Curing time if it's a chemical bonding type like I figure it is? How long does the bond last?
I'd really like to see Dick Curran produce some stuff on the internet for his variety of acceptable uses. KiteLines online back issue store webpage isn't redone yet but I'm probably just too lazy to call  I'm also wondering just how much stress the seam tape can take in different ways of being stressed. I'm pretty sure it would take easy to a simple seal a spar in. I gotta wonder if the material could be used to bond like ripstops to make an undeen durable opening for lines and what not.
Thanks for any info and help. |
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KiteSquid
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| Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 2:56 pm Post subject: Re: Super Seam Tape 9460PC |
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| TradeWinds wrote: | | Any instructions on the Super Seam Tape 9460PC ? |
There was an article in KiteLines about it. Reprints are avaiable from KiteLines bookstore, or steve may have some laying arond. Ask him.
| TradeWinds wrote: | | Does it foul a needle when sewn thru? |
If you want to sew thur a tape use the less expensive seamstick tape...
I use F-9460PC INSTEAD of sewing. It provides a better seam than sewing but it takes me more labor to do it so I only use it on light wind or indoor kites.
I did use it on my Iris Edo tho with GREAT results.
You do have to think out your seams BEFORE building you kite.
| TradeWinds wrote: | | Curing time if it's a chemical bonding type like I figure it is? |
Here is what 3M has to say about it:
| 3M wrote: | 3M™ VHB™ Tapes
Additional Information
High strength 3M™ VHB™ tapes are used throughout industry to replace mechanical fastening for permanent assembly in many applications. To help meet your assembly and production requirements consider 3M™ VHB™ Transfer Tape or VHB™ Double Coated Acrylic Foam Tape. With transfer tape, a thin dry strip of permanent pressure sensitive adhesive is transferred from a liner to the surface to be bonded, ready to use. The foam carrier of VHB™ Foam Tapes helps provide higher strength, handling convience, cushioning, damping and impact resistance. More conformable foam helps improve void filling and flexibility. Application temperatures can be lower. |
It is realy designed to bond high surface energy materials together i.e. aluminum plates etc. Look HERE and HERE and HERE for more from 3M... It is actualy called Adhesive Transfer Tape F-9460PC From 3M's Very High Bond Strength line of industrial adhesives.
| TradeWinds wrote: | | How long does the bond last? |
At least 5 years on some of my kites.... The fabric WILL fail before the bond fails... at least that is my experances with it.
| TradeWinds wrote: | | I'd really like to see Dick Curran produce some stuff on the internet for his variety of acceptable uses. KiteLines online back issue store webpage isn't redone yet but I'm probably just too lazy to call I'm also wondering just how much stress the seam tape can take in different ways of being stressed. |
in hte 1/4" width it is stonger than sewing in shear and tensil strength but it does not handle peel loads well....
| TradeWinds wrote: | | I'm pretty sure it would take easy to a simple seal a spar in. I gotta wonder if the material could be used to bond like ripstops to make an undeen durable opening for lines and what not. |
I dont understand your use...
| TradeWinds wrote: | | Thanks for any info and help. |
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CJQ
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| Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 5:17 pm Post subject: 3m 9460 tape |
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Hi tradewinds,
back in the middle 90's I was not an acomplished sewer, (not much better now) however , I made a cellular kite with Icrex and 2540 rods , with some custom aluminum fittings.The kite is 252 square ft. consisting of 6 romboid cells. There in no sewing in the entire kite . My objective was no sew and big. I will post a picture latter tonight. The kite has over 300 yards of 1/4 in 9460c 3M tape . It is now several years old and the tape retains its integrety. Some people will lay it down and burnish it with thier fingers . that is my method. Some will pass over the seam with an iron to set the adheasive . I dont know if there is a distinct advantage.
I love the stuff ,bad news is it aint cheap.There is another man who also has some expirence with 9460 and thats MR.Sam Housten who lives I think lives in washington(state of).
Hope this gives you some incite.
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Mountain Man
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| Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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what is the spars in that kite and how many spars ?
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CJQ
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| Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 9:47 pm Post subject: no sew romboid |
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Hi Bernie , Above I said I used 2540 Carbon rods . Actualy I used 36 pcs. of 2300 Carbon rods . the horizontal spars are 19L pro spar-comps. .375 dia . they are ferruled to make a length of10 ft. I'll take some close up pics. of the aluminum fittings and post them. theres about 60 of them ,3 different types. Dont fly it very often ----Takes too long to put together ,bout an hour,if the wind is light.
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TradeWinds
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| Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | TradeWinds wrote:
I'm pretty sure it would take easy to a simple seal a spar in. I gotta wonder if the material could be used to bond like ripstops to make an undeen durable opening for lines and what not.
I dont understand your use... |
Making a hole in kite fabric to go between one of my stunt kites center verticle spar and the wider lower support spar between the outer spars. There is a hole that gets reinforcing to keep fabric that is shifting around the attachment point from messing up the fabric. The two spars on opposite sides of the fabric have to have a hole to attach through. I was wondering but pretty much figure now that the tape could cover one side of a same color patch piece and be applied to the hole giving more durability to a hole and not change to a disimular color and have to gads forbid sew while flipping the kite to all sides to make the circular route needed. Lazy guy here some what. 
Besides the plastic tape is extra reinforcing. |
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KiteSquid
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| Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 8:15 am Post subject: Re: no sew romboid |
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| CJQ wrote: | | Hi Bernie , Above I said I used 2540 Carbon rods. |
Cliff,
Do you mean Pultruded Carbon TUBES????
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stevef
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| Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 8:22 am Post subject: |
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A spar can be a rod and a spar can be a tube, but a rod is not a tube!
I belive Cliff meant to say tube.
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I am going to post more info about 9460 in the Techsheet section later today. It is a popular request.
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KiteSquid
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| Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 8:24 am Post subject: |
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TradeWinds,
I understand that you want to make a reinforcing patch of material that matches the sail and you dont want to sew it as sewing small circles is quite difficult...
Yes, I have used 3M's F-9460PC on fabric to make my own reinforcing. I purchaced a 6" wide roll from a converter for about $100 and am still using it.
How much do you need? I could mail you a few feet of it... for FREE... Just PM me your address.
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KiteSquid
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| Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 8:26 am Post subject: |
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| stevef wrote: | A spar can be a rod and a spar can be a tube, but a rod is not a tube!
I belive Cliff meant to say tube. |
I do too...
| stevef wrote: | | I am going to post more info about 9460 in the Techsheet section later today. It is a popular request. |
I LOVE information!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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