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mark0326
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 Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 9:21 am Post subject: Ralf Beutnagel's KAP-Foil plans anyone? |
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Has anyone managed to find Ralf Beutnagel's KAP-Foil plans 5 or 8m... preferably in English yet?
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kitestack
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:50 am Post subject: |
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The were in the last edition of a german kiting magazine I have at home (8m Version).
Maybe I can scan them for you. Just PM me your email. I can also help with the translation.
Here's the TOC of the magazine and a link to the publisher.
http://sport-und-designdrachen.de/inhalt/inhalt-01-2011/
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mark0326
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| Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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This is my scaled down 4.1m version...
Thanks for the scans kitestack, I also ordered the magazine - not sure if Ralf gets any funds from the sales.
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TBHinPhilly
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| Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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So are we talking 1 month to the day from idea inception to finished project? Impressive. I like the cross-colors and the thin black separation lines.
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mark0326
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| Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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 You know me, a week to decide on a plan, a week to decide on a colour scheme, a week to make a template and a week of cutting and sewing.
Joking aside, I really struggled with this one. Having made a Mini-Mock and a Jordan airform before - this should have been a breeze (no pun intended) but my health and other things got in the way.
First time I've built with keel & ribs as one... preferred the split method more. Top is 3 sections as is the base.
I'm very happy with the result, I hope it's as stable as they are claimed to be.
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planish
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| Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 12:01 am Post subject: Re: Ralf Beutnagel's KAP-Foil plans anyone? |
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| mark0326 wrote: | | Has anyone managed to find Ralf Beutnagel's KAP-Foil plans 5 or 8m... |
 Just what kind of camera are you trying to lift?
An Imax 3D Solido?
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kitestack
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| Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:43 am Post subject: |
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Looks great!
Hope you like it. I'm happy I could help out.
PS: I'm currently also sewing a kite from the same magazine myself (The Lycos 2.5 Competition). Burrito roll presumably this evening. I will post pictues once it's done. *tease*
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mark0326
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| Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:42 am Post subject: |
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My camera must be about the size of his eye-piece
This one has been built for lighter winds and is made from only 33g material... hence a few more reinforcements - definitely not for our current gusty conditions which we have all week... typical 
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planish
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I just did some research. A Maxi-Dopero is 6.75 sq. m , so a 5 or 8 m foil is certainly reasonable.
Somehow I thought it was ridiculously over-sized. My bad. 
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powder_pig
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| Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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I really like the Dopero for KAP but a soft kite that is stable enough to do the job would be a lot better for transporting. I can get four 180 sg. ft. soft kites in a standard suitcase with all the lines and sand anchors. Makes it pretty convenient. 
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kaos
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| Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:19 am Post subject: |
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Is the KAP foil significantly different from a PL pilot (apart from the obvious of more profiles) ?
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powder_pig
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| Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:25 am Post subject: |
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| kaos wrote: | | Is the KAP foil significantly different from a PL pilot (apart from the obvious of more profiles) ? |
It looks a little slimmer, not as tall of a rib, and it had two more cells. Other than that...
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kitestack
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| Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 6:34 am Post subject: |
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| kaos wrote: | | Is the KAP foil significantly different from a PL pilot (apart from the obvious of more profiles) ? |
It has a very different profile.
The magazine contained a very nice comparison between different profiles.
So that already yields a significantly different kite. Plus the KAP-Foil has a 3 Point bridle and the PL-Pilot only one bridle line on the keel.
Plus the KAP-Foil has cross-vents in the ribs, the trailing edge is entirely closed (not 100% sure about the pilot here).
So a lot of differences in the details.
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mark0326
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| Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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This afternoon I tried out the kite with the fuzzy tail I made in the week and flew my Mini-mock beside it for comparison.
http://youtu.be/a8MC1jpFIlc
Edited for new video link on April 5th 2012
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kaos
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| Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 12:03 am Post subject: |
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| mark0326 wrote: | This afternoon I tried out the kite with the fuzzy tail I made in the week and flew my Mini-mock beside it for comparison.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJuFptVvkxo |
Wow! Looks like smooth wind off the back of the KAP fol and turbulent off the Mock foil
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TBHinPhilly
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| Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 12:31 am Post subject: |
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Really nice comparison. What is the square footage of the mini mock?
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kaos
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| Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:59 am Post subject: |
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| kaos wrote: | | mark0326 wrote: | This afternoon I tried out the kite with the fuzzy tail I made in the week and flew my Mini-mock beside it for comparison.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJuFptVvkxo |
Wow! Looks like smooth wind off the back of the KAP fol and turbulent off the Mock foil |
On second look, is that a ribbon tail on the Mock and a fuzzy on the KAP foil? If so, ignore my previous observation 
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mark0326
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| Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 8:41 am Post subject: |
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Ben: It's a standard Mini-mock which I believe is 20sq/ft
Kevin: Correct, fuzzy tail on the KAP-Foil and transition/ribbon tail on the Mini-Mock.
I think the straight fuzzy tail gives the impression of a more stable kite, the kite flies almost as well without it too.
Neither kite was very stable near ground level which would have made attaching a camera rig near impossible given our 60m height ceiling.
I need to spend some time in the German forums looking for tuning tips, to me the back end of the KAP-Foil looks lower than I would expect, lots of room for adjustments with 12 bridle lines though! Also all my cell ends have a 2" opening to eject bugs etc. but I think these should be closed. Might be an idea to also look back at Pilot tuning tips.
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kiteguy
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| Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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You can see one (sort of) being made here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcDSEZqp8Cs&feature=related
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OldGoat
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| Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting how close in performance the two kites are given what I woud (wood, no WOULD) call a significant difference in profile. It looks like the KAP had a more acute flight angle. Was that the case or is it just camera angle? I too look forward to further reports. 
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