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Progcraft



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi.
Squid has a really good write up here on line including polypropelyne (sp?). I asked the same thing a while ago Wink

http://www.kitebuilder.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=662&highlight=polypropylene#662

Cheers.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have just checked that link. Thank you. I was talking about braided polypropylene for Bridles. It really looks like braided Dacron.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh. I didn't know you could get that type of line so small diameter.
Is the poly hollow core, solid core, or solid braid? If it's hollow, that would likely work fine. Solid core and solid braid would likely be difficult to get tight knots with and may be very stiff over shot lengths. But, with the solid core, you can actually pull the core out of shorter lengths and end up with just the hollow core, braided sheath. That might be tough to pull out though with the small diameter line.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Progcraft wrote:
Oh. I didn't know you could get that type of line so small diameter.
Is the poly hollow core, solid core, or solid braid?


Its hollow core braided line. Its exactly equal (in appearence) to the Dacron lines used for bridles. But it is polypropilene . Sorry for my ignorance but what I want to know if polypropylene is a similar polimere like Dacron?
I get it from 0.8 mm diameter to 3 mm in ropes, lines and architectural stores and stores like home Depot.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polypropylene is not as strong as Polyester for the same size line.

Polypropylene floats in water

Polyester sinks in water.

Both have low stretch compared to Nylon


I do not recomend using Polypropylene line in any kite application......
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P.S. Yet another long winded post by the Squid..... Shocked

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kitesquid wrote:
Polypropylene is not as strong as Polyester for the same size line.

I do not recomend using Polypropylene line in any kite application......

Tahnk you Kitesquid!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 3:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gduran wrote:
Do U know if Polipropilene is a kind of polyester fiber?
Today I found that a small store near my place is selling braided polipropilene lines, and believe me they are very very similar to braided dacron.


OK, here we go. Polypropylene is not a stretchy as dacron. Kitesquid will correct me if I am wrong. The one disadvantage is that it has a lower melting point. Be careful of crossing lines with another kite or you might be cut out of the sky. (Am I correct?)

knot(ty)ronda Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ronda you are on track. You stated one of the reasons.

The other reason I would not use Polypropylene is that it does not have anywhere the stringth for a given diamater of line that Polyester has...

Look at the boat sailing ropes HERE or Here to learn more.

My Kite Line choices are

Braided Polyester for most single line kites...

Braided HMPE for sport kites

Braided Nylon for big kites, as I like the springeyness that absorbs gusts, but Polyester works fine too

BTW I have a roll of 4,000 lb test Kevlar line with a dacron sheath that I used once and is now for sale....
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Stan



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I picked up 1000 yards of heavy tan linen thread at a yard sale for a buck.
Works really well for small SLKs and large fighters, doesn't stretch much and is nice in the hand. Quite aesthetic for a bamboo-paper kite. Some mini-kiters here use a single stand of raw silk for thumbnail-sized kites.

Stan
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