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Kitesquid
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I was tryign to post the thubnails with links to the full size phots to save bandwidth...
but those are the photos in question...
Paul with a big grin...
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Mudd
Joined: 14 Feb 2004
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Location: Prince Edward Island, Canada
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 2:08 pm Post subject: Tie Dye Fabric |
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I`ve read all the posts regarding dying fabric and am still not clear on what types of dyes will work for Ripstop. I used to watch me old granny dye some things when I was a gaffer...is this the type you all are referring to ?
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Kitesquid
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 4:29 pm Post subject: Re: Tie Dye Fabric |
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| Mudd wrote: | I`ve read all the posts regarding dying fabric and am still not clear on what types of dyes will work for Ripstop. I used to watch me old granny dye some things when I was a gaffer...is this the type you all are referring to ?
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The dyes you wached her use probally were Fiber Reactive Dyes as she problly dying cotton fibers... they dont work on Nylon or Polyester...
There are many familys of dyes.
Fiber Reactive Dyes are the most popular of all dyes. Fiber Reactive Dyes dye cellulose fibers -- plant based fibers like cotton, linen, ramie, hemp, viscose rayon, jute, paper, wood, basket reed, even silk -- at room temperature, 75° - 95° F. With a different procedure these dyes work on protein fibers (wool).
Disperse Dyes are designed to permanently dye synthetic fibers -- in particular polyester, nylon, acrylic, and acetate rayon. Solid shade dyeing is done at a boil. A swelling agent (Dye Carrier) is necessary for the dye to penetrate polyester fiber. Acrylic fibers do not dye dark, so expect to only achieve a pastel depth of shade.
Acid Dyes are designed to permanently dye protein fibers -- animal fibers like wool, silk, angora, mohair, alpaca, and nylon.
Most of the above is from Pro Chemical's web site...
Check with the dye manufactur or vendor to see if the dye in question will dye your particular fiber.
One thing that stops dyes from working on the fabrics we use for kite building is the coating that was applied to them. They are designed to repell water, and work well... Dye is caried onto the fabric with water...
You may have to test several fabric, dye, auxilary and process combinations to get a formula that will work for you.
One process that I read about in the rec.kites arcives and do NOT recomend requires you to remove the coatings by soaking the fabric in a heated bath of combustible liquids. VERY DANGOUS and NOT RECOMENDED!!!!!!!!!!!! DONT TRY IT!!!! I wont....EVER!!!!
BE SURE TO READ AND UNDERSTAD THE MSDS FOR ALL CHEMICALS BEFORE BUYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is your and your familys health!!!!!!!!!
For more info go to the following websites and read the Freqently Asked Question's and recomended procedures for thier products:
Paul Burch's Dye Site
Dharma Trading
Pro Chemical and Dye
Stay safe too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! some of the chemicals are NASTY!!!!!!
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cbl527
Joined: 18 Dec 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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Harold, Have you ever tried the transfer printing method as described at Pro Chemical? The site says"Additional colors may be made and applied to the same paper, working wet on wet, or wet on dry. Colors applied over another color blend to make new colors." I can envision replicating a tie-dye effect on paper and then transfering onto individual panels prior to sewing. Do you think the transfer process will work with the toray polyester?
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Kitesquid
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| Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 8:21 am Post subject: |
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I have not tried it, but I dont see why it would not work, as long as the Toray will take dye (I have not tested that fabric) and you use proper chemstery.
My first attempt at tye dye is posted above. My second attempt at dying fabric was my Iris Edo that is posted in the notebook section of the Album was direct application of Acid Dyes to Nylon fabric. I used Silk Painting Techniques that you can reasearch at your local public Library as they all have a book or two on Silk Painting.
I was not totaly satified with the image but I did earn Beauty in the Air at the Smithsonian and second place overall (0.5 points).........
I am trying to get away from Nylon and into Polyester due to Nylon's Hydrotropic property......Icarex PC is my favrorate Fabric, and yes I have gottten it to take dye in a vat dying test, but I have not tried to tie dye it yet. I do have some yardage in the KiteCave to test as soon as I get some time to dedicate to it....
Once again read and understand the MSDS for all chemicals you plan on using in your process BEFORE buying them!!!!! Keep your family and yourself safe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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cbl527
Joined: 18 Dec 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 10:31 am Post subject: |
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I'm going to order some of the disperse dye and try to apply the dye paint to pleated and folded paper using a sponge brush. I should be able to replicate a tie dye pattern, then iron the image on.
And yes I will read the MSDS!
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wdrwilson
Joined: 24 Oct 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 11:01 am Post subject: |
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I found this article online... not sure if the same process can be used to tye dye or not...
http://www.sportkite.com/dye.html
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Kitesquid
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| Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 11:02 am Post subject: |
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Chuck,
You will probally need some die carrier too....if you want to dye Polyester.
And maybe some citric acid crystals
You may also combine their direct application of dyes to polyester procedures to your attempt.
I dont know it ironing the dye will work. Not enough heat for long enough, but please let us know if it does..
You may want to call Pro's pros  and descrbe what you want to accomplish to see what they think....
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Kitesquid
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| Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 11:10 am Post subject: |
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| wdrwilson wrote: | I found this article online... not sure if the same process can be used to tye dye or not...
http://www.sportkite.com/dye.html
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That is silk painting techniques on Nylon. It is what I used on my Iris Edo but I built a stove pipe steamer like at Dharma's web site describes.
But I did vat dye the purple border and the black.
The kite is 98" tall by 65" wide
It is only 6 pieces of fabric. 4 pieces of purple for the border because the kite is wider than the fabric comes in so I had to piece the border
1 piece of black so I could get a stainded glass effect to hide the white left when i removed the gutta
and all the green, yellow and Blue is on one piece of fabric that I dyed using silk painiting techniques. 
That kite took me 2.5 years of reasearch that I have mostly passed on to you here and 6 months to build as I had to make a frame to hold the fabric, hooks to streach the fabric, a steamer
Oh and I also painted and thread wrapped the spars... and made all the marshmello fittings, but Kite Studio made some custom pushers for me too.
It was my first EDO so I had to figure out how much to bow it and how to cascade bridle too.... UGH what a lot of work it was, but rewarding in the end...
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cbl527
Joined: 18 Dec 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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In my book...
The hard won knowledge you pass along to the rest of the community is worth that 0.5 points!
I say give Kitesquid his final star!! 
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Kitesquid
Master Kite Builder
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 9:40 am Post subject: |
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I missed Smithsonian 2003 by 0.5 points...
Nationals was by a WIDER margin.............
But it is one of my long term goals, Grand National Champion, and Members Choice would be nice, but I will have to work harder at it... My skils need improving.
Attention to detail at ALL times
etc....
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