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pozzoalberto
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 Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 12:13 am Post subject: fabric questions |
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Hi to all
I wish to ask you if the Bainbridge nylon Ripstop fabric on kitebuilder shop are AIRX?
Secondly which is an equivalent fabric similar AIRX 600N or better?
Between Condender, North Sail and BB which is the best quality/ weigh/price ratio for a kite inflate?
where i can find polyestere first quality and dacron second?
thanks 1000
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Kitesquid
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| Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 9:11 am Post subject: |
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Alberto,
Stevef will be the only one who can answer your first question...
Second quesion requires a little more information from you.
What kind of inflatable kite are you refering to? a Single line kite or a power kite?
On your third questinon did you know that Dacron is DuPont's regestered trademark for their woven Polyester fabric????
The only source of second quality kite fabrics that I know of is Kite Studo.
Everybody else sells firsts.
The stock of seconds are always fluxuating, so if steve has the fabric you want you should buy it as he may only have 5 yards in stock or 1,000 yards in stock, it depends on how bad the fabric manufacturer messed up...
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pozzoalberto
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| Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 3:36 pm Post subject: to steve and kitesquid |
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to steve:
The bainbridge nylon Ripstop in kite builder shop is AIRX?
How i can know when only nylon or dacron product offert change in on line shop?
How many days occurs to spetidion in Italy normally?
Which is the average spedition cost for 30 yards of fabric?
to kitesquid:
I am building a 15 m2 kite inflate that I found in zeroprestige site and i used AIRX 600N and dacron 3.9 oz...but for next kites i would like change all the fabric and I am searching an equivalent spy fabric(polyestere is a good idea for you?) ...and also seconds for dacron on this site (there are alternatives for dacron?)
please forgive my english
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Kitesquid
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| Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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Dacron is just polyester that is made by DuPont.
I prefer Poyester fabric over Nylon, ubt in a power kite I think that Nylon would be a better choice as it has more stretch to absorb gusts better....
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Stan
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| Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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Alberto,
Dacron is an brand of polyester. Toray and Icarex are made of polyester.
Polyester is a little better for a power foil used for water sport, but Chikara or North Sails 1/2 ounce nylon is good with water and is cheaper. There is much information on Yahoo's Foildesign forum. I believe you may find some Italian speakers there as well.
Your English is fine!
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stevef
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| Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 5:19 pm Post subject: Re: to steve and kitesquid |
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| pozzoalberto wrote: | to steve:
The bainbridge nylon Ripstop in kite builder shop is AIRX?
How i can know when only nylon or dacron product offert change in on line shop?
How many days occurs to spetidion in Italy normally?
Which is the average spedition cost for 30 yards of fabric?
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hi pozz... sorry for the delay... been packing fabric all day every day this week! the Bainbridge .75 oz nylon currently in the catalog is not AirX it is Stabilote-4 - another bainbridge high performance Ripstop nylon. AIRX is also a Bainbridge product that I havent stocked in the past but will in the future. It is a very good nylon fabric for large inflatable kites used near water. The 600N (.50 ounce) has been the most popular style and is available in seven colors. The price is around $14.00 per yard (60" width). I can special order it for customers and will be stocking it very soon.
Most international customers prefer that I ship via US Postal Service. Normal shipping time is 4-10 days. I can get it there faster via UPS but the shipping cost will be much more and there are usually greater customs fees.
On 30 yards of cloth, I estimate the weight to be 8 pounds. Shipping this weight to Italy via USPS would be about $35.00.
Our inventory of fabric changes weekly. We often receive seconds form our vendors every week and try to get it loaded into the catalog asap. However you must realize, some of the colors go on line and get sold out in 24 hours... some colors go very fast. So if you see something you are interested in, i advise getting it as soon as you can... especially seconds.
Soon.... you will also see Northcloth "Shorts" online. We will be selling the .75 and 1.5 "by the roll".... with most rolls averaging 10-30 yards and at a price significantly lower than the standard per yard price. Those rolls i expect will sell very fast.
So.... that is a pretty good assortment of questions and answers... I hope it helped.
... now..... where do I move this thread? 
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Spence602
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| Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 5:31 pm Post subject: Re: to steve and kitesquid |
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The kites found on the zeroprestige site are for kitesurfing, so I'd venture that you'd want something low-stretch and low-weight. Polyester (Toray, Icarex, Texlon) nylon would probably be the way to go.
| pozzoalberto wrote: | to kitesquid:
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Kitesquid - I'll chip in the other 900000 
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marty
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| Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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Andrew Beattie was making his Chevron power kite and liked the old Icarex better than nylon. If I remember correctly he said that the Icarex produced a stiffer kite, ie, it held it's shape better for more control and more power.
You don't need me to tell you this, but Stabilkote is very nice fabric to work with. The coating does give it much less bias stretch than other Ripstop nylons.
One bit about names, I believe that Nylon was once a registered trademark of DuPont, but they lost it as it fell into common use, sort of like what happened to Aspirin.
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Fred
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| Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 10:37 am Post subject: Texalon Vs... |
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I recently bought 10yds of Texalon for a project, and I have some leftovers...
I'm starting a new project, and I'm wondering if I should try some of the other manufacturers, specifically the ones mentioned here -- North, Challenge, Bainbridge.
Can anyone out there offer any comparisons between the four? Texalon included?
I'm also wondering if there's a problem in my mixing the texalon with any other manufacture owing to differences in fabric performance that may exist.
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knotronda
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| Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2004 12:53 am Post subject: |
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Fred,
Those were all great questions. I am hoping that someone will respond. I know very little about fabric and would like to learn also. I mainly work with tyvek but I need to get daring and build something from scratch. I have taken classes where the fabric was provided and I just took it for granted that most fabrics were alike. However, I do know that Icarex has a crisper finish than most of the other fabrics I have been exposed to.
Inquiring minds want to know. Please Fabric Gurus answer our pleas!!
knot(tier)ronda |
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