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Kitesquid · Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 9:56 am Post subject:

They are mixed with water MOSTY

You can use Alcohol to speed the drying time or if you want salt techinques you substuet sugar for the salt and alcohol for the water. I prefer to use pure Ethanol as it is not a toxic as any denatured alcohol as they somtimes put Methanol in it, and nobody wants to breathe any large quanity of Methanol fumes as it can cause blindness and liver damage. But pure Ethanol is hard to find here in Virginia and is taxed a little higher too..... Shocked

Steve D,

You sound like you know what you are doing with safety, and I agreee that the paper masks are more for show than any real filtering. I would say they are good for nucance particles, like sawdust etc....

Thanks for catching me on the resperator, as my fingers move faster than my brain sometimes and SAFETY is not the place to do it.... Thank you again and I corrected my previous post!!!!!!

All,

I cannot stress SAFETY enough!!!! Read and UNDERSTAND the MSDS for all products you plan on using!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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AKA Harold
King George VA

P.S. The wind is like the air, only pushier.

Kitesquid · Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 10:01 am Post subject:

Steve D · Joined: 02 Sep 2003 Posts: 481 Location: USA GA Newnan

I really don't know as much as I probably should.

Part of what I do is collecting soil and groundwater samples to send off for chemical analysis for various (sonetimes) hazardous compounds. Fortunately for me I mostly deal with petroleum products (gasoline, diesels, fuel oils, kerosene) but they can be harmful enough.

We see potential for exposure to some potentially nasty stuff on a fairly regular basis - this the concern regarding respirators. Gloves and eye protection are another issue......

Kitesquid · Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 3:48 pm Post subject:

Well I just ordered some dyes..... only a small amount....

I need to get some White Icarex PC to dye now...

WHAT AM I GETTING MYSELF INTO?????
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AKA Harold
King George VA

P.S. The wind is like the air, only pushier.

cbl527 · Joined: 18 Dec 2003 Posts: 17

I just got my hands on a damaged spinnaker that has some white panels in it. Not sure how how large the white panels are - the parts I could see without unrolliong the whole thing seemed to be in goiod shape. I'll check if you think you might be able to use some of it.
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Kitesquid · Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 8:31 am Post subject:

Thanks Chuck! I am trying to do some Polyester right now, Is it poly?

I want to expeiment with fabrics that I know I can get more of.

I was thinking of the Toray Poly that Steve is going to be selling soon, but I don't know if there will be more after these boxes run out and I don't have enough $ to sink into 200 yards+ of fabric right now... just to make sure I have a good stock pile.

I LOVE Icarex PC because it's stiff hand and predictabilty in a finished kite. but at $12 per yard I cant buy much at a time.

I know there are other polyesters out there and some may take dye better than Icarex PC, but I have not done any testing on them yet...
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AKA Harold
King George VA

P.S. The wind is like the air, only pushier.

revflyer · Joined: 09 Jan 2004 Posts: 8 Location: Maryland, usa

I hooked into the Squid (and his bride javascript:emoticon(' Very Happy

')) this weekend and promised to acquire a dozen yards of half ounce White Icarex Polycarbonate for his tie dye efforts. I felt really honored too, because he stated that behind me Ken McNeil is waiting. Squid actually wants my rainbow and black Mojo though javascript:emoticon(' Crying or Very sad

')! It's the first Mojo ultra light and number 9 or 12 overall. He already has numbers 50 and 51.

I guess I'll just give him the kite and buy the fabric and hope I get a piece big enough for a Tirips or a new design Dave Ashworth and I are working on, currently called the OMNI. We're scheduled to teach a new quad design at the Maryland Kite Society's retreat in two weeks. We'd planned to teach the Omni but it looks like it will be Dave's Butterfly design instead, as our concept is not good enough for an engineer yet. (I'm a concept guy, so I struggle with the whole engineering mentality of my partners, but they do save my bacon too!)

Kitesquid · Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 10:33 am Post subject:

BTW Jim Cosca owns #50 and I own #51, and they stay together. Right now they are in Jim's bag..... Crying or Very sad

but they are due back to my bag some time soon Laughing

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KiteSquid
AKA TakoIka
AKA Harold
King George VA

P.S. The wind is like the air, only pushier.

revflyer · Joined: 09 Jan 2004 Posts: 8 Location: Maryland, usa

how jimmy Cee get yours? I would have thought it'd go the other way!

Kitesquid · Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 12:45 pm Post subject:

they stay together.... they spend some time in his bag and some time in my bag.......

untill the other guy BEGGS to get em for a while...

GREAT KITES!!!!!! i wish I had a set of 5 of each model in case one gets dirty.....
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AKA TakoIka
AKA Harold
King George VA

P.S. The wind is like the air, only pushier.

cbl527 · Joined: 18 Dec 2003 Posts: 17

Sir Kitesquid, I'll have to read the thread on difference btwn poly and nylon again and then go have a look at the spinnaker!

Where can I get some Icarex? I haven't seen it listed as such.

I'd like to buy some then forward you a batch for tie dyeing. Of course I'd pay for the dye and labor, and wait my turn in line.

I'm going to build a 6' Rok that I plan to auction off in support of the Jimmy Fund. Those forum members here in New England are probably familiar with the Jimmy Fund and the Pan Mass Challenge bike ride. My fundraising team goes by the name Team Tie Dye. I've ridden the 200 miles for 6 years now following my wife's brush with NHL. I plan to put a tie dye border aournd a white center, then applique the PMC logo in the middle.
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Stan · Joined: 18 Nov 2003 Posts: 150 Location: So Cal

Spinnakers generally haven't been made of polyester for years.
They aren't as durable as nylon.
Stan

Kitesquid · Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 8:20 am Post subject: