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Progcraft
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 Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 4:19 pm Post subject: What's a good substititue for Hoop Winders? |
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good, cheap, generic, locally found substititue for 6 - 8 inch hoop winders???
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Steve D
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| Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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Do you have access to any woodworking tools?
Thinking a different direction - I saw a webpage detailing how to make hoop/halo spools from sections of 6" and 8" PVC pipe..... |
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Progcraft
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| Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Steve D wrote: | Do you have access to any woodworking tools?
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Nope. Only woodworking I've ever done is with R/C airplanes. So all my wood working tools are minature ones and are only good on Balsa (or other very soft woods).
Kinda wish I did though as I could make a lot of stuff that I need then. Light table would be a good start 
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Steve D
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| Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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I'll look and see if I can find that web page. If I remember right the guy heated the PVC in water to a certain temperature to make it soft and workable then flared the edges somehow.
Next question - do you have a friend that does any woodworking or has a small shop in their basement/garage - bet you do.... |
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Progcraft
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| Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Steve D wrote: | | Next question - do you have a friend that does any woodworking or has a small shop in their basement/garage - bet you do.... |
Umm, actually, Nope again. I know no one who does woodworking. I work with a bunch of young computer geeks who can't tell the difference between the business end of a hammer and the pointy end of a nail. The closest they ever get to woodworking is when they wipe the spilled milk off of the hardwood floor  
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Steve D
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| Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe there's someone on the kitebuilder board that could make what you want and work out a trade. 
BTW - I looked around a little and tried to find that PVC spool page and didn't see it. I'll keep trying..... |
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Stan
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| Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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I think it was Heidi, and he was cooking the ABS in oil at a Kite festval.
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Steve D
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| Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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| May have been oil. From the pictures the set up looked a lot like one of the turkey fryers that are popular lately.... |
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smarties
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| Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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Lately, I was trying to find a way to build a hoop winder with wood. I have a few ideas in the back of my head. As soon I can put down on paper some drawings, I'll let you know.
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kiteguy
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| Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Steve D wrote: | I'll look and see if I can find that web page. If I remember right the guy heated the PVC in water to a certain temperature to make it soft and workable then flared the edges somehow.
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Yep, he heated the PVC in oil and flared the end over a salad bowl, or was it a gazing ball....... 
He (Heidi) made them by the dozens. Then wrapped waxed thread on them. I think his goal was to make them so each, with several hundred yards of line, cost only $1 each.
He gave them away to people, with a kite, I think. Fighter kites, FYI.
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Steve D
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| Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm pretty sure we're talking about the same person now. Question is - anyone know where the description of what he did (primarily the temperature of the oil - has to be fairly precise if I remember correctly) is on the web? |
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Progcraft
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| Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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Flaring PVC pipe sounds like a good idea.
All I've been able to find so far though is this:
http://burntlatke.quibble.com/rocket.html
But, the same princaple applies. Just got to figure out what type of oil to use. As for heat, that article says "If the oil smokes, it is way too hot".
Thanks for the ideas guys. 
Spend an evening to make a dozen hoops out of a big piece 'o pipe. Just need to know what kind of oil that is.
Cheers,
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wdrwilson
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| Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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I would suspect any kind of vegtable oil would do the job...
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kiteguy
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| Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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| wdrwilson wrote: | I would suspect any kind of vegtable oil would do the job...
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IIRC vegetable oil is fine.
Heat to 167 degrees F. Have a salad bowl with rounded bottom laid upside down nearby.
Have about 1 1/4 inch oil in a pan.
Have your cut PVC to about 4 inch lengths nearby.
Have a cookie sheet nearby to lay finished spool on to cool and collect drips.
Have a large towel to wipe things up.
Place PVC into hot oil and leave for ....I don't remember this part at all. Just a few seconds, certainly less than a minute.
Place PVC on curved surface and push down to flare the sides
Instantly place it on the cookie sheet, flared side down
Press to make the flare part flatten out. You want one side to be flat.
Turn the PVC over and put the other end in the oil (First side should be cool, first!! DOH!)
Heat as before and flare as before, but do not flatten.
Let cool.
Rince off with soap and water, and your spool is ready to go.
Or easier yet, buy some from eBay. There are almost always some for sale there!
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Dorsal
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| Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Or easier yet, buy some from eBay. There are almost always some for sale there! |
Okay, so what term do you use to search for them?
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