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Progcraft · Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 3:11 pm Post subject: Need a knot

Hi.
What's a good knot to use for bridle attachment that's easy to make, and is accurate.
The knot has to be tied after the line is threaded through a bridle tab. There will be a mark on the line that denotes the center mark and this mark HAS to be perfectly placed in the middle of the loop. A bowline is too hard to adust if the center mark is off, and I can't think of any others. (knots are not my forte)
Normally I'd use knotless loops in dacron line, but I can't use dacron on this kite so I need to make actual knots.

Thanks in advance Smile

Cheers,
P.
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Stan · Joined: 18 Nov 2003 Posts: 759 Location: San Diego

I use a stopped slipknot for these situations. Figure your allowance for the knot and you're set. You can even use a melted mushroom end in lieu of the overhand stopper.

KiteSquid · Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2004 8:41 am Post subject:

You can tye a loop of line to the fabric tab (or sew directly to the kite) and use a Prusic knot like most sport kite bridles are tied...but in reverse. the loop is at the sail and the lines come off of it.....

OR Try the dutch marine bowline.

It is easy to capsize, adjust and then right.

HERE is how to tie it

to adjust it, pull on the two parts that go thru the loop, adjust and then to right it, pull on the other two parts.

Why does the middle of the line have to be at the end of the loop???

I assume that the two ends go elsewhere on the kite.

Why dont you tye the loop in the center of the line and larks head the line onto the tab??

Can you describe the entire bridle??? maybe a photo with the entire bridle and put an arrow on the photo where you want the knot???

Another way of dooing it is to tie a second line to the fabric tab and tye the Bridle Line to it using a DOUBLE SHEETBEND. Dont use a single sheet bend as it will loosen when the bridle goes slack (like in the storage bag) and the Double Sheetbend should keep your adjustment...

The short line comming from the kite skin should have a stopper knot of some kind on the end. I would recomend an figure of eight knot.
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Progcraft · Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2004 10:02 am Post subject:

Progcraft · Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2004 10:33 am Post subject:

Well, with a bit of practice, the I guess the bowlines aren't too difficult to repeat over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, ad inifinitum, and over

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KiteSquid · Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2004 10:49 am Post subject:

Did you try the dutch marine boline??????

EASY to adjust!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and it will not slip!!!!!!!
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P.S. Yet another post by the Squid..... Shocked

Doesent he ever shut up???

P.P.S. The wind is like the air, only pushier.

KiteSquid · Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2004 10:56 am Post subject:

Prog,

I just e mailed you a PDF file of how to tye and adjust the Dutch Marine Bowline.

It is an excerpt of the Janus Kite building manual that I wrote for Ft Worden 2004.

Let me know if it works for you...
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P.S. Yet another post by the Squid..... Shocked

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P.P.S. The wind is like the air, only pushier.

Stan · Joined: 18 Nov 2003 Posts: 759 Location: San Diego

Progcraft · Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2004 2:56 pm Post subject:

Well, I'm still cutting line. I've got only 12 more to go. I'm thinking I might go with the bowline (pick a version as I'm sure I'll intermix them cause their so similar).

Would someone with Tom White's NPW Vulture calculator mind telling me how much Bridle Line is required for a 5m kite? Total length is calculated on one of the pages there. Thank you very much Smile

The Junkie uses a total of 74 meters for the primaries, and 53 meters for the secondaries.
36 individual primary lines, and 15 secondary lines.
Total count is 51 lines and 127 meters.

Cheers,
P.

ps. I may not fly this today. I've been takeing my time cutting the bridles. I'm sacrificing three dual line line sets for this bridle. Anxious

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Whoops, forgot which thread I was in. I thought I was somewhere else Embarassed

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Progcraft · Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2004 2:58 pm Post subject:

If you really want to see the finisihed bridle, go HERE and get the VRML file and the cosmo player. Then, view the kite in 3D. This Virtual kite has been priceless to me in building the kite and bridle.

P.
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