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Progcraft Kitebuilder of the Year 2004


Joined: 29 Sep 2003 Posts: 2222 Location: Calgary, AB, Canada
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Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 11:02 pm Post subject: Bamboo bending by beginners |
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Say that five times fast!!
G'day all.
I have numerous questions, So, for those who've done this if you'd like to supply some answers, please do I need you
My first question is this. For a mylar eddy kite, 20cm X 20cm (btw, I totally messed up those numbers in another thread, so for those who may be confused, bear with me, I'm leaning) about how thick around should bamboo spars be?
Second, just how much discolaration and cracking of the wood can I get away with??
http://kites.icelands.ca/Bamboo_Bending/Bamboo_Bending_001_lg.jpg
You may note a certain, oddness, in that picture. I'm thinking that most people who do this sort of thing use an expensive caliper and a cheap candle. I'm useing a $1.00 caliper, and a $600 heating element
My last question is this. What do you use for snipping the ends clean? Or do you saw through these tiny sticks?
Ok, so, where did I get this bamboo your asking? Chopstick!! For that authentic chinese look
I think this is too much http://kites.icelands.ca/Bamboo_Bending/Bamboo_Bending_004.jpg
Thanks for your help
Cheers,
P. _________________ There is no box.
Children of the Wind Kite Festival
http://www.windykids.ca/
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KiteSquid Master Kite Builder


Joined: 29 Aug 2003 Posts: 2956 Location: USA Virginia King George
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Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 8:36 am Post subject: |
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I have not built many bamboo kites but I was lucky enough to attend a workshop taught by a Mr Sun of China. His son lives in the DC area..
Several points
Try to heat the bamboo SLOWLY and evenly were you want the bend.
Too little heat and it will not bend. To much heat and you get ashes...
Practice a lot to get the feel of the right temp to heat to..
The chopsticks you are using look like they are from the center of the bamboo stem.
Photo borowed from HERE a bamboo fishing rod builder's web site.
If you look at the photo above you will notice a higher density of "Power fibers" near the enamal of the stalk. The Enamal is the outer skin of the plant.
Look at the cneter part of the stem, and you will notice that it is mostly pith without much power fibers....
Now look at the end of your chopstics... The enamel is most likely removed... I could be wrong but I did not see it in the photos you posted, Please advise.. You dont have to have the enamal in place on a kite but most kites I have seen it is left in place as it it easyer to leave it... Bamboo fishing poles it is removed.
You want to bend the stem away from the enamal if possiable. It is easyer to bend in that direction and less likely to break it...
Bending bamboo is a skill I did not want to hone as I prefer to work in Carbon and to a lesser degree, Fiberglass.... _________________ VR/
KiteSquid
AKA TakoIka
AKA Harold
King George VA
P.S. Yet another post by the Squid..... Doesent he ever shut up???
P.P.S. The wind is like the air, only pushier. |
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Spence602

Joined: 16 Sep 2003 Posts: 352 Location: USA TX Houston
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Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 9:07 am Post subject: Re: Bamboo bending by beginners |
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Progcraft wrote: | My first question is this. For a mylar eddy kite, 20cm X 20cm about how thick around should bamboo spars be? |
Let's see - for me that's an 8" kite. Most fighter spines are 15"-19" - and it's recommended that they be 3/16" wide and between 3/32" and 3/16" thick. So maybe half that would be sufficient for your eddy.
Quote: | Second, just how much discolaration and cracking of the wood can I get away with?? |
As long as you haven't burned the bamboo fibers you should be okay. When I make my fighter spines, the bend is only slightly darker than the rest of the spine. Since the chopsticks are easy to come by, you can do a lot of testing
Quote: | You may note a certain, oddness, in that picture. I'm thinking that most people who do this sort of thing use an expensive caliper and a cheap candle. I'm useing a $1.00 caliper, and a $600 heating element |
Oddness and all of us go pretty much hand-in-hand. I don't use a caliper - just a finger. I turn on a burner on the gas stove, pass the bamboo over the flame until I think it may be hot enough (which really isn't that long), and then lay it flat on the counter. I use a ruler laid across the spine to direct where the bend will start, and lift up on the nose-end of the spine until my finger will fit under it.
Quote: | My last question is this. What do you use for snipping the ends clean? Or do you saw through these tiny sticks? |
I use my mini-cutoff saw, but a dremmel would work just fine.
Quote: | I think this is too much
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Yup. Maybe one of the advantages of a gas stove burner over a candle is that the flame is wider and heats up more of the bamboo, allowing the fibers to flex and move around themselves rather than trying to flex in a very small area - when the fibers have no where to go.
Think of it almost as bending a laminate with heat. You heat up the material making the glue that holds the pieces together to become mallable. Then you make the bend while the glue is hot and, while holding the material in it's new form, allow the glue to dry. The material will hold it's new shape. Bamboo has that special feature - mallable when heated, stiffness in it's new shape. _________________ Spence
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Progcraft Kitebuilder of the Year 2004


Joined: 29 Sep 2003 Posts: 2222 Location: Calgary, AB, Canada
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Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 9:15 am Post subject: |
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Thanks Spence. Good help there. I think my pieces are way to thick. I've figured out a decent way to split each chopstick into quarters, but I think I should split them again. I also think I've been trying to heat them to fast. I'll use a lower temp and try to go a bit slower on my next tests.
Yup, the chopsticks are cheap. $1.00 for a package of 24 sticks.
Thanks guys.
P. _________________ There is no box.
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