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Icarex, Ventex, and Chikara

 
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Progcraft
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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2004 8:21 am    Post subject: Icarex, Ventex, and Chikara Reply with quote

Traveller posted this over at kitelife.com and said I could re-post it here.
If anyone finds anything incorrect, please feel free to make a correction here.

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Icarex PC-31 Polyester weighs 31g/m2, uses 10x10mm, double-threaded ("rip-stop") stitching, is only coated on one side. These properties in turn give Icarex it's character which is a low-strech material that withstands air/H2O permeability very well, but given the large (10mm) thread spacing is (relatively) prone to tearing.

Ventex Polyester weighs 34,5g/m2, uses an 18x9mm stitch pattern (only doubled on the long sides), is only coated on one side. Ventex is even more prone to tearing than Icarex, is more permeable (appearantly their coating is not as effective as Icarex) and (somehow) stretches even less than Icarex.

Chikara Nylon weighs 41.2 g/m2 in part due to its closely-spaced, 5x5mm double-stitch pattern and the fact that it is coated on both sides. Chikara is therefore highly tear-resistant & permeability is very, very low! On the other hand, nylon stretches a good deal more than poly (2x more than Ventex).

Chikara is hence an ideal fabric for power kites where streching's actually a good thing where wind-gusts are a way of life, not to mention the ability to shed H2O all the better! Icarex & Ventex are crisp, accurate, light fabrics ideal for framed sport-kites in professional kite-flyer hands (those that tend to avoid trees, unplanned groundwork, etc.... )

Icarex seems to be a dream-come-true in terms of weight, air -n- tear resistance, however it stretches a lot more than Ventex, not to mention costs (or costed) twice as much. Ventex seems to be the fabric of choice if the designer wants to limit stretch (& save a few bucks while they're at it).


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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2004 8:52 am    Post subject: Re: Icarex, Ventex, and Chikara Reply with quote

Progcraft wrote:
Traveller posted this over at kitelife.com and said I could re-post it here.
If anyone finds anything incorrect, please feel free to make a correction here.

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Icarex PC-31 Polyester weighs 31g/m2, uses 10x10mm, double-threaded ("rip-stop") stitching, is only coated on one side. These properties in turn give Icarex it's character which is a low-strech material that withstands air/H2O permeability very well, but given the large (10mm) thread spacing is (relatively) prone to tearing.


The coating on Icarex PC-31 is Polycarbonate, the same plastic that bullet proof windows and safety glasses are made of. The coating on all the fabric I have usesd looks the same on both sides of the fabric.

At to the wide Ripstop thread spacing, I have never torn this fabric in the field...


Progcraft wrote:
Ventex Polyester weighs 34,5g/m2, uses an 18x9mm stitch pattern (only doubled on the long sides), is only coated on one side. Ventex is even more prone to tearing than Icarex, is more permeable (appearantly their coating is not as effective as Icarex) and (somehow) stretches even less than Icarex.

Chikara Nylon weighs 41.2 g/m2 in part due to its closely-spaced, 5x5mm double-stitch pattern and the fact that it is coated on both sides. Chikara is therefore highly tear-resistant & permeability is very, very low! On the other hand, nylon stretches a good deal more than poly (2x more than Ventex).

Chikara is hence an ideal fabric for power kites where streching's actually a good thing where wind-gusts are a way of life, not to mention the ability to shed H2O all the better! Icarex & Ventex are crisp, accurate, light fabrics ideal for framed sport-kites in professional kite-flyer hands (those that tend to avoid trees, unplanned groundwork, etc.... )


I disagree with the part about Polyester is "ideal for framed kite in porfessional kite-flyer hands"

Nylon has its place in framed kites too... gusty winds come to mind.

Polyester is better in the lower wind ranges and smooth winds.

Also I have yet to meet someone who gets paid to be a kite flyer...



Progcraft wrote:
Icarex seems to be a dream-come-true in terms of weight, air -n- tear resistance, however it stretches a lot more than Ventex, not to mention costs (or costed) twice as much. Ventex seems to be the fabric of choice if the designer wants to limit stretch (& save a few bucks while they're at it).


I have no used any Ventex, but I have not seed ANY strech in Icarex PC-31.

BTW Steve does not carry Icarex PC-31, even tho it is my favorite fabric for light wind kites...... I built a 7.5 foot wing span Extended Wing Cody Man Lifing War Kite out of it and the kite will fly in as low as 2 MPH by it's self!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BTW where can I buy Ventex?
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P.S. Yet another post by the Squid..... Shocked Doesent he ever shut up???

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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2004 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Professional kiteflier? Laughing

Poly's better stuff, but not always worth the expense.
Stretch isn't a black and white issue. All fabrics stretch. I have an Icarex stunt kite where the area around the standoffs is stretched out of shape. In the light loads of a stunt kite, stretch is a minor factor. I've flown some fine high-end kites made of nylon.
I like both nylon and polyester for different applications. UL stuntkites really suit poly, while high wind kites can be smoother in rough wind with nylon.

Just my two cents in a controversial area. Wink
Stan
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